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Re: Why do I hate English

Why "do"?I thought it must be "am", isn't?I [am] hate English, not i [do] hate English. IMHO.

You have a mix of present simple and present continuous in your mind. "I am hating" or "I [do] hate" are right, but "I am hate" is wrong.

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42 Востаннє редагувалося Esforeal (30.03.2016 20:37:34)

Re: Why do I hate English

P.Y. написав:

Since Surzik is a variant of Ukrainian language, forgetting it is the right way to become a Russian speaker. It is not possible to forget Surzhik one day and start learning Ukrainian as a foreign languge (since there're no visible border between them). We have to upgrade Surzhik to literary/almost literary Ukrainian - that's the only way to learn it.

Surzhik is not a variant of some language - ukrainian or russian - this is just a mix of both.
If we talk about "learning", this is possible. The school work of it in childhood, university in teen - even when the parents can't speak by clear ukrainian, the teachers can do it. And they are a kind of people, who have so much power to change our world, do it more "ukrainian".

foreign language

foreign languge

Це взагалі то "вторинна", "закордонна" перекладається. Бігло спілкуватися - це "fluently".

And not "we have" - "we must". We don't have any choice, cause each step is very important. And if we will not start to do some step for...am...ok, "upgrading" our ideology, our language will fall.

43 Востаннє редагувалося P.Y. (30.03.2016 20:45:40)

Re: Why do I hate English

Surzhik is not a variant of some language - ukrainian or russian - this is just a mix both of it.

Just like Ukrainian computer slang is neither Ukrainian nor English but some new language :)

Actually, Surzhik is a spoken variant of Ukrainian with a great (mostly lexical) influence of Russian. Not Russian with Ukrainian influence, not random mix of them both. Some Russian words never appear in Surzhik. Russian influence is mostly lexical (and the one who learned literary Ukrainian after Surzhik speaks Ukrainian with no accent, not like Russian native-speakers).

So the right way to learn literary Ukrainian after Surzhik is step-by-step replacing borrowed lexicon with literary words and correcting grammar sometimes.

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44 Востаннє редагувалося P.Y. (30.03.2016 21:31:04)

Re: Why do I hate English

Another problem is that literary Ukrainian is not spoken Ukrainian. For the last 100 years spoken Ukrainian failed into Surzhik-like forms, but if we try to mechanically replace spoken 'Surzhik' with literary Ukrainian from books, it looks like we try to make niggaz speak Shakespeare's language.

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45 Востаннє редагувалося P.Y. (30.03.2016 23:49:04)

Re: Why do I hate English

Esforeal написав:

That people think so, cuz they don't see any difference between sounds of our languages, and especially cyrillic letters.
Sometimes i play in Counter Strike, and in the moment, when some very "clever" dude sees cyrillic in the chat or hears some ukrainian words, he start to cry about "fucking russian", "same shit" (after my words about my nationality) and so on so forth.

It is not difficult to confuse languages you don't even know. As you learned English, you know Roman alphabet, but can you easily differ written German and Dutch, Czech and Slovak, Spanish and Italian? And if you just know how Chinese script looks like, are you sure you can differ Chinese writings from Japanese or Korean (actually they even look differently)?

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I know the difference between Chinese, Corean and Japanese scripts. I can't feel the difference only when i hear the voices, but, i think, it's not for long, cause i watch anime =)

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the chinese is about intonation, the korean is about phv, and the Japanese is about KAWAIIIIII!

тут спілкуються українці, про політику, і інше (серед них є програмісти, але дуже мало, тому не заходьте туди лише з питаннями про програмування)
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FakiNyan написав:

the chinese is about intonation, the korean is about phv, and the Japanese is about KAWAIIIIII!

OMFG, i can't see that fucking ugly face again!Vovan Japan is the best motherfucker in the world (sorry).

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:D

тут спілкуються українці, про політику, і інше (серед них є програмісти, але дуже мало, тому не заходьте туди лише з питаннями про програмування)
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P.Y. написав:

Why "do"?I thought it must be "am", isn't?I [am] hate English, not i [do] hate English. IMHO.

You have a mix of present simple and present continuous in your mind. "I am hating" or "I [do] hate" are right, but "I am hate" is wrong.

Why I hate English.

"do" is used only if you kinda emphasizing - I really hate it!

51 Востаннє редагувалося bvn (27.09.2016 14:01:54)

Re: Why do I hate English

I don't love or hate English, I just use it as instrument.

Surzhik is a good step for learning Ukrainian (for Russian-spearkers), at least it's a way to not speak Russian. I know very many people who doesn't want try to speak Ukrainian, because it sounds bad in their performance, it sounds like Surzhik. But I think they better speak Surzhik than Russian.

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52 Востаннє редагувалося tim (27.10.2016 05:49:09)

Re: Why do I hate English

But Ukrainian is not an international language, we may speak it to each other but not to any foreigner (even if it appears on our territory).

We must do all to make Ukrainian an international language!
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Мені здається ви хотіли просто потренуватись у написанні тексту англійською. Хтось каже за помилки..а я скажу нормальний рівень :) Прикольно написано, і наче щось складне, але досить простими реченнями. Я люблю англійську і вчу звичайно. Це мова міжнародної комунікації :) Особисто я знаю 3 мови..виходить що я тричі людина..хехе

54 Востаннє редагувалося P.Y. (27.10.2016 19:19:17)

Re: Why do I hate English

Особисто я знаю 3 мови..виходить що я тричі людина..хехе

Nice to see all the three of you :)
Well, I am two men (my Ukrainian and Russian are good enough for free communication),
a midget (that's my English now),
a few men with speech disorder (I can understand Belarussian, Polish and some other Slavic languages but almost never try to speak/write on them)
and a couple of dismembered bodies  :o  (the languages I tried to learn but stopped).

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wtf???? where did this shit take that NE????

Прихований текст
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Коми просто треба правильно ставити.

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