1 Востаннє редагувалося P.Y. (28.03.2016 17:28:44)

Тема: Why do I hate English

Well, actually, there're lots of good things which make English a useful, interesting and beautiful language, and I have no reason to hate it permanently. The things I dislike and hate are rather about "English" in our society.

1. English is the way not to use Ukrainian. Someone can say that English may be used not to speak Russian as well. Actually, Russian is much more powerful on this territory, so English vs. Russian battle will allways give Russian language's victory. However, Ukrainian-English concurrency is not so predictable. Ukrainian is 'the only official state language' (technically it's not true since it is not the only language widely used officially in Ukraine) and is well-understandable by everyone in our country (and this makes it more useful than English for everyday communications). But Ukrainian is not an international language, we may speak it to each other but not to any foreigner (even if it appears on our territory). Bad English knowledge is the power which protects Ukrainian when we don't wish to speak Russian. Well, nowdays it is not a true problem. Sometimes it looks like a trick: "OK, you don't like my Russian, so I'll speak English specially for you. Is it difficult for you to understand me, or may be we'll go back speaking Russian? Sorry, my Ukrainian is not good enough, and I prefere to never practice it :) "

2. English is the language of illusions. We live in hunger of world's recognition, and we can love a foreigner just for a few words in Ukrainian. And we think, the world will love us for a few English words. Is it true? English is a lingua-franca but not a native language of the West, English for Europe is rather like Russian for Ukraine, Moldova etc. Even in English-speaking countries (like US or UK) English is not a golden coin to buy their inhabitants' love: billions of people can say smth. like "Hello, my name is Vova", and it will not make you more interesting if that's your only skill. You will not «мати a better job» just for your attempt to improve language knowledge, since everyone can do it.

3. Our "English" is too poor to be English. You can read books but not write them, watch video but not film yourself talking about something. You are still passive acceptor, but not a creative member of this great world culture. Why so? Well, you may learn English in books (lots of them), but you have no idea how to speak English in your everyday life. Practice is the only true way to learn language, and you have no way to get this practice not leaving your home and your country.

4. Special language for "speaking to the world" is a bad idea. The world is great and you are small, why do you think the world will even listen to you? "Hey wold, listen to me, I've just learned your language!" This magic does not work. There're millions like you, and you are not special. Also, don't forget your English is still too poor to be understood (I feel shame listening to your slogan-like English phrases addressed to the world), and so you will choise an easier way (you speak Russian, don't you? It will not make you someone special, but you will say what you want to say, and someone outside your homeland will understand you and will answer; you'll spend some time speaking to each other). What is the problem? The "special language" is not useful if you are not special by yourself. Try to be special first, and may be the world will see you.

5. OK, you are special and your special language skill is good enough. May I say good-bye to you and never see you again? I mean, what's about brain drain? Your "better job" in a "better country" is a good choise for you, but it's a bit selfish, isn't it? You are right, Ukraine will never give you what you want, but why it's impossible? We had hundreds of years of brain-draining, feeding empires with our human capital. Would you like to stop this process? You may think you will make your motherland more known in the world after your migration. But well, it's look like you run away from a poor country, 'cause it is not good enough to fulfil your requirements (in this context, "Ukraine" sounds almost like "poor African country with war"). Or you are not good enough to be useful for your country  and to help fix it's problems (looks like you're a looser :) )... So why do I hate English? It helps you make the choise which I don't like.

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"Многа букафф" та ще й з помилками як у словах, так і у реченнях. Не осилив.

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Re: Why do I hate English

Do you think your English is better?

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No, I don't. Why are you asking it? Measure penises?

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Well, as I've said, our English is too poor. And I wish to practice it but I don't think "English is good, English is great". I would like to talk about English as a possible problem. Anti-English discussion in English is perhaps more interesting than English-loving topic.

And what's the problem with your penis?

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шось лайно якесь, нафіга ви це написали? заради писанини?

тут спілкуються українці, про політику, і інше (серед них є програмісти, але дуже мало, тому не заходьте туди лише з питаннями про програмування)
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Re: Why do I hate English

In my opinion, when u learn foreign language - U are growing,
when u uderstand any foreign visitor u are equal with him,
maybe something else,...

Збираю знання і... роздаю знання :)

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Re: Why do I hate English

Just English, please!

This shit is mostly written for writing, as you've said, but actually it is not far from what I really think about English.

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"Скільки мов ти знаєш, стільки разів ти - людина."

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Анатолій написав:

In my opinion, when u learn foreign language - U are growing,
when u uderstand any foreign visitor u are equal with him,
maybe something else,...

I think any language is like a currency. $ or € is well-recognized stable currency, it is acceptable by most people in the world, it is stable enough to store it like gold-replacement, but for some economical reason we have ₴ (which is not so stable and valuable, but having it someways makes our community a bit more rich).

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Master_Sergius написав:

"Скільки мов ти знаєш, стільки разів ти - людина."

To be more than one person sounds like to have a mind disease :)

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P.Y., If you hate English, Why you write in this language?
(sorry for my bad English)

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/KIT\ написав:

P.Y., If you hate English, Why you write in this language?
(sorry for my bad English)

We are all programmers, English is required for us even if we hate it.

I can't say I just hate English or just love it. There're some reasons for both love and hate.

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Ох блін, ну настрочив, тільки до чого це все/

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sasha276 написав:

Ох блін, ну настрочив, тільки до чого це все/

Read that again and again, and some day you'll understand :)

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Навіть читати не став, досить вже писати фігню.

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Esforeal написав:

Навіть читати не став, досить вже писати фігню.

You think that's "fignia" because you've read its title only.
Also, your English language skill is not good enough to read the whole post. Do you hate English?

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i hate kid that does not check the text before posting!!!

тут спілкуються українці, про політику, і інше (серед них є програмісти, але дуже мало, тому не заходьте туди лише з питаннями про програмування)
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Re: Why do I hate English

Why do you think the text wasn't checked? May be it's just too complex for your language level...

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sasha276 написав:

Ох блін, ну настрочив, тільки до чого це все/

Because P.Y. are linguist. :)

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